The Burch book has his date of birth as August 14, 1798 and has him baptized later in that year.  Susan Schock's information has him christened on this date at the Klyne Esopus Church, Esopus NY.  Since Philip is in Susan's line, I would assume her family records would be more accurate.  In addition, she notes that "the baptism of a Philip Schriver is found in the records of the Klyne Esopus Church, Esopus NY # 82. Vital Records of Low Dutch Church of Kleyn Esopus Ulster Park, New York 1791-1899 by Arthur C M. Kelly (1980).  Parents: Martinus Schriver and Margaret Terpening. Child: Philip.  baptized 14 August 1798."  This is apparently his baptismal date rather than his birth date.

To confuse things even further, there is confusion around his year of birth as well.  Susan's information lists his birth in 1793.  Philip was a farmer and was said to have been a soldier in the War of 1812. If the latter is true then his year of birth probably was 1793 which would have made him 19 years old at the time of the war of 1812. If he were not born until 1798, the year in which he was baptized, he would have been only 13 years old in 1812. However, both sources (Burch and Schock) indicate that the Sullivan County census records of 1850 lists him as 55 years old.  This would make his birth year either 1794 or 1795, depending on the month that the census data was collected.  The Schock info further cites that in the 1860 census, he is listed as 61 years old, making his birth year 1798 or 1799.  We really do not know with certainty what year Philip was born.

Both sources list his death as 1889.  Susan's data indicates that he was 96, which leads back to a birth year of 1792 or 3.

Additional information on what appears to be this same line beginning with Philip was found in the Genealogy of Southern New York (1913) Vol II p. 819. This states that Philip was born in 1793 in Rondout or Kingston NY. Although the year of birth is slightly different this appears to be the same Philip who was the son of Martinus Schryver, since he named his first daughter Margaret after his mother and his first son, Martin, presumably after his father. This publication states that Philip married ? Wright of Neversink. A Philip and Polly Wright are recorded as parents in the baptismal records of two children (Margaret and Martin Samuel) at the Klyne Esopus Church, Esopus NY.

It is not known just how he met his wife who was from Sullivan County. After his marriage he moved to this area and he and his wife and family lived in the Town of Rockland, Sullivan County NY in the area later known as Livingston Manor NY. A notation made by his grandson, Adelbert M. Scriber, states that Philip came to the Town of Rockland in 1822.

Phillp and Polly are found in the 1850 census of Sullivan Co. NY (Town of Rockland) as follows:  Philip Scrivner 55; Polly 56; Margaret A. 26; Martin L. 25; John E. 18; Philip W. 15; Mary E. 12.

This appears to also be Philip and Polly in the 1860 (Town of Liberty) census (Sullivan Co NY), ten years later now with no children living at home anymore. (# 275): Philip Scriber 61 yr Farmer; Polly  64 yr.

A land transaction is found in records of the Sullivan County Court House (Monticello NY) Liber 39 p. 159 that indicates that in 1857 Philip Wm. Schryver received land from Samuel Purvis. There is another transaction as well in 1862 and Philip received additional land from Samuel. This record notes that Samuel’s wife was Satella. (records # 46-581) Samuel was the great uncle of Mary Esther Purvis who was the wife of Philip’s son, John Eli. Given the time frame of this it probably refers to Philip Sr., not Philip Jr.

An early map of the Town of Rockland (ca. 1870s) shows a residence of a P. Schriver.  Since Philip would have still been living at the time this map was made it was probably his residence. (Or could have been that of Philip Jr) It is located on Hazel Road, near the Purvis Post Office location along the Willowemoc. Fred Fries, a resident of Livington Manor in 2004, claims that this is the current site of the home of the Minard Branning family. The current Sullivan County phone book notes this address as 209 Hazel Road.

The following is found in "The Genealogy of Southern New York" 1913 p. 819, Vol. II: "Philip Schriver, the first member of this family, of whom we have definite information was born at Kingston or Rondout, New York in 1793, died in 1889. He was a farmer and a soldier in the war of 1812. He married ___Wright , of Navesink, who died in 1865."

The birth records of the first two of Philip's children are recorded in The Vital Statistic of the Low Dutch Church of Kleyn Esopus, Ulster Park New York  1791-1899, Arthur C. M. Kelly 1980. Both children were baptized the same year and probably the same day (1825 records # 721 and #740). If Philip and Polly were then living in the remote area of what was then known as Neversink there were no churches. Baptisms were often done by circuit preachers who came into the area, performed the baptism and then recorded it in the church at a distant location. In such a situation a number of children in one family might all be baptized on the same day. 

It is assumed that the area called Navesink is what was later called Neversink and was located in what is now Sullivan County NY. In the early part of the 1800s, Neversink incorporated a vast area, including what later became the Town of Rockland and not just the small town later called Neversink.

Although Philip was born and raised in the Esopus area of Ulster County NY, at some point he moved to the Town of Rockland in Sullivan County. Presumably this was the area where his wife and her parents had  settled. Early maps show that parts of the present Town of Rockland were once part of the area called Neversink.

Further observations:  The Burch data makes him the last born.  If, in fact, he was born in 1793, he would have been the ninth child and his brother Garret would have been the last born.  Also, it is interesting to note that he is the only one of his family to spell the surname in this way.

Mary "Polly" Wright was a daughter of Pvt. Joseph Wright and Elizabeth Parmenteer.  A reference in the Schock work indicates that "There is no conclusive proof yet that Polly was the daughter of Joseph Wright and Elizabeth Parmenter but some clues do point to this. Polly’s son, Philip W. Scriber named a son Newton. Joseph Wright had a son John Newton Wright who would have been a brother of Polly’s, therefore an uncle of Philip Jr’s. "  She was born about 1795.

She died in Motts Flat, Rockland NY, on 17 Jan 1861 at the age of  66.  For those of you who refer to the Burch book, there is a disagreement on Polly's date of death.  The gravestone doesn't lie!  Polly’s grave was found in a small and old cemetery in an area known as Mott’s Flats in the Town of Rockland, Sullivan Co NY. Presumably her husband was also buried there. Many of the headstones no longer exist though or are broken and cannot be read.

Grave of Mary "Polly" Wright Schryber, (abt. 1795- 1861) wife of Philip Schryber. This grave is in a small cemetery in Motts Flat, Town of Rockland, Sullivan County, NY.  Phillip was the son of Martinus and Margrietje Terpening Schryver of Esopus, Ulster County, NY. Many of the gravestones in this area are broken or missing so presumably Phillip's grave stone was also there at one time.

Following the death of his wife Polly, it appears that Philip started living with a woman named Maria  H. Fripp. This situation is very confusing because in various records, references are made to Maria, Mary, Myrah or Polly.  In addition, last names of Hogencamp and Whitmore are named.  The 1870 census of the town of Rockland, Sullivan County, NY lists a widower Philip Scriber Sr. age 76, Household # 67.  In this household is someone named Hettie M. Scriber, age 38. Could it be that this was his daughter Mary E. Scriber?  She would have been that age.  On the other hand, Maria is not mentioned.  Could this be another name for her?  The age isn't quite right, but this wouldn't be the first time we have seen census records with inaccurate ages!   Also in the household is someone by the name of William A. Foster. He is 18. There were also three children by the last name of Fripp: James M. (age 9), Seth F. (age 7) and Betsey D. (age 4). A little girl named Polly Scriber (age 2) is also listed.

Maria Fripp  is listed as a "conQubine" in the 1880 census as part of Philip's household.  Whether concubine or common-law wife, it appears that he and Maria were never officially married.  On his death certificate this is left blank.  Whatever the case, she had apparently been living with him at least since about 1867 since a daughter, Polly, was born to them in 1868.  She therefore came into the household approximately six years after his wife Polly's death or maybe even earlier.  In this census, Philip was 86 and Maria was 46.  Children Polly, age 12 and Peter, age 8 were also listed.  

Susan Schock has looked into this considerably and a number of details are known.  Given these details we have come up with a theory (or two!):

It is possible that the William A. Foster mentioned in the 1870 census was Maria's son from a former marriage, although we have no records showing her last name to be Foster.  The Fripp children mentioned were undoubtedly hers from another marriage.  She was Maria Fripp at the time.    In addition, Peter Schriber (Philip and Maria's last born child) gave his parents' names as Philip Schryver and Myrah Whitmore on his marriage certificate. In the 1900 census in Peter's household is his son David and his mother "Maria H. b. Nov 1832".  

Susan has found a Polly Hogencamp (b. 1831 or 32), who married a Henry Whitmore. (date unknown).  This Polly H. Whitmore died 12 Oct 1908 at age 77 yrs. 9 mo. 15 days and is buried in White Sulphur Springs, Sullivan County, NY.

It is possible that this common-law wife's maiden name was Hogencamp?  Her middle initial was listed as "H" and a Hogencamp family lived next door to the Scribers in this time frame.  If this is so, she assumed her maiden name at some point between her relationship with Philip and her marriage to Henry.  It is perhaps more likely that following Philip's death, Maria married a Hogencamp (perhaps the man next door who's wife had died), outlived him, and then married Henry Whitmore before Peter's marriage?

As we have stated several other places on this website, we may never know.  Susan Schock is continuing to research this situation.  Our thanks to her for her vast contributions to this page.  The following is her theory on Philip:

Sometime around 1866 Maria H. Whitmore came into his household. (I feel that this was her maiden name) She had four children and had been married twice before. Her first husband was ? Foster and she had a son William A. Foster with him in 1852. Maria would have been 20 at the time. What happened to Mr. Foster is not known but Maria apparently married again to a Mr. Tripp. (this is also seen as Fripp but I think it may have actually been Tripp). A son James M. Tripp was born in 1861, another son Seth was born in 1863 and a daughter Betsey was born in 1866. It is not known what happened to Mr. Tripp either but soon after the birth of her daughter Betsey,  Maria moved into Philip Schriber's household with these 4 children. Philip had been widowed for 5 years and was now 73 years old! Was she brought in to help out ... to do work to help support herself? If she had been widowed with these 4 young children she may have really needed to find a way to support them.  At any rate by 1868 Philip and this Maria have a daughter together named Polly ... and yet another child a son, named Peter R. b. 1873, Philip would have been close to 80 by then...so one does wonder! Philip and Maria did not ever marry it appears and in the 1880 census she is listed as Maria Fripp (Tripp?)  "ConQubine".  Peter and Polly are listed but none of the Tripp children nor William Foster are listed. William would have been 28, James Tripp 19, Seth Tripp 17 and Betsey Tripp 14. It is possible that these children were living with other family members of Maria's or as help as farm hands on neighboring farms as was often done in those days. William shows up again in the 1900 census living with his half brother Peter (he is now 48 and apparently never married ... could have been disabled, mentally retarded or something). Peter's mother is listed as Maria H. in this census.  In 1919 Peter appears to have remarried a woman named Carey Brown. His marriage certificate states that he is the son of Myrah Whitmore and Philip Schriber.  I think that Maria may have actually been known by her middle name and called Hetty M. The 1870 census lists her this way (no last name noted though). This census is not very detailed unfortunately and does not list the relationships of any of those in the household as later census records do so it is only a guess who they all might be.  By 1880 the census taker was more sophisticated perhaps and I think "Hetty" had to give her "legal" name and probably was asked if she was the wife of Philip. Apparently she was not. She gave her surname as Maria Tripp (Fripp?) which would have probably been her former married name. By 1919 when her son Peter got his marriage certificate he was probably asked for his parents" names (and his mother's name with her maiden name) so that is why he gave it as Myrah Whitmore. (Hetty is a nickname for Hester, Henrietta, or Mehitable).

Now to find something to prove all of this!!